You are right, but only regarding one fine detail: It was the best performing 'German' tank. It came too late and in too few numbers to change the tide of war. Originally posted by Mikey:The Panther is to my knowledge regarded as the best performing tank in the war although plagued by reliability issues and poor production quality. The T-34 was already developed by the time Barbarossa started. They thought it was a good idea until they saw the new russian tanks. Yes, you read it right, the it was the Panzer III, the main workhorse, that was supported by the Panzer IV. The BT-7 which made up the bulk of the russian tank fleet, was better than the Panzer II and only slightly inferior to Panzer III (BT-7 had worse armor, better armor penetration, far superior mobility), the 'MBT' of the german tank forces at that stage of war. Germany and the whole world had nothing even remotely compareable. Thats why most of those tanks were lost because they had to be abandoned or destroyed by air strikes. Other cannons couldn't do it even at point blank range. They were superior to anything Germany and the rest of the world had and forced the Wehrmacht to completely reconsider their tanks, anti tank weaponry and forced it to use the Flak 88 for anti tank duties because it was literally the only cannon capable of penetrating the KVs armor. KV-1 and KV-2 were tanks of its own kind when the war started. Germany was enforcing it's rule to tank warfare of Panzer IVs supported by mobile Panzer IIIs and the soviets had no counter to it. Originally posted by Mikey:From the start of Barbarossa the german tanks were far superior to the ageing soviet tank pool You are justifying the acts of a criminal right there, I hope you realize that. You have to resort to some obscure websites. You know the difference between our opinion? I can prove my point with every credible source, even with Wikipedia. Jeez, people love to forget the the Octobre Revolution was 'Made in Germany'. and they would have every justification to do just that. If the White Forces would have won, they would have probably obliterated Germany from the face of the earth for what it did. On the contrary, it were the Germans which basically enabled Lenin to topple the russian government and start the bloodiest revolution in human history. Don't even try to blame german mistakes on Soviet leadership. Communism came from Germany, it was a german ideology and going very strong in those times. Operation Barbarosa was Hitler doing to the Soviets what the Soviets did to Germany. Hitler was there and saw first-hand the destruction and human suffering communism causes. It was the Soviets who caused one of the deadliest uprisings in German history in the 20's, the Red Bavarian Revolution. Originally posted by Eald Englisc:Even if, by some miracle from the gods of alternative history, the Soviets weren't planning to invade Germany, Hitler's invasion was still justified. The goal was to repeat the fast counterattack from WW1, but with troops also capable of keeping fighting that way and not just with counless numbers thrown into the grind how they were forced to in WW1. Thats why the SU developed a mobile, blitzkriegesque doctrine so that never happens again. Mass famine and atrocious poverty was the result.

You know why? Because it went extremely badly for the Russian Empire in WW1, when the german forces beat the russian forces back and started to fight on russian soil. I'll tell you exactly why the SU had an offensive doctrine for their forces: To instantly counterattack so the fighting doesn't take place on Soviet soil. Hitler would have, for example, never cooperated and let his troops train in Russia if not for the damn Versailles dictate. Tell me one thing though: If this military build up was directed against Germany, why the cooperation? Why build a giant fleet to attack Germany? It is obviously a contradiction. Today, fake history is as rampant as fake news altogether. Thats what I mean with websites from no mans land.

Can only be built in coastal states.Originally posted by Eald Englisc:Tankies truly are the most cancerous aspect of this forum.ДЇor the Soviet invasion of Germany, since I don't want to sit here typing for hours, read this: Naval dockyard: Used to produce ships and convoys.Synthetic refinery: Produce synthetic oil and rubber, especially useful to nations that lack either.Civilian factory: Used to produce and improve a nation's military/industrial capacity.Military factory: Used to produce weapons, equipment and vehicles.Radar station: Help the airforce detect and intercept enemy air fleets.Anti-air: Defends a State from enemy aircraft, and especially useful to protect industrial areas.Air base: The larger the air base, the more planes it can effectively field.Infrastructure: Each state has an infrastructure rating that determines how easy it is to supply units in the state and how quickly military units can move through.

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